This is EVE in a nutshell. Anything goes in this game, and anything can and will happen. On a daily basis... It's a bit sad though. When my benefactor joined Nightmare and Undivided (the alliance) Nightmare was 130+ pilots and Undivided quite a few corps. Now Nightmare is down to 50 and Undivided has 6 corps, plus the shadow blue killing alt corp I guess.
[ 2010.01.29 05:07:08 ] Ruxandra > o/
[ 2010.01.29 05:07:24 ] Heofz > hows it going
[ 2010.01.29 05:07:25 ] Ruxandra > What can I do for you?
[ 2010.01.29 05:07:30 ] Ruxandra > Not bad.
[ 2010.01.29 05:07:52 ] Heofz > just wanted to ask u something if thats ok
[ 2010.01.29 05:08:02 ] Ruxandra > Sure.
[ 2010.01.29 05:08:42 ] Heofz > did dave pay you to do what you did?
[ 2010.01.29 05:08:53 ] Ruxandra > Nope.
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:04 ] Heofz > not the corp thieving thing
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:11 ] Heofz > but before that
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:31 ] Ruxandra > Yeah, I know what you were asking - it would be stupid for him to pay me to rob someone elses corp.
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:35 ] Ruxandra > But no, Dave didn't pay me.
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:38 ] Ruxandra > An external party did.
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:53 ] Heofz > lol
[ 2010.01.29 05:09:56 ] Heofz > may i ask who? :)
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:10 ] Ruxandra > The confidentiality of my clients is a part of our agreement.
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:19 ] Ruxandra > I do have a price, though.
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:30 ] Ruxandra > If you were to pay me some isk, I could disclose their identity.
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:37 ] Heofz > how much :)
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:44 ] Ruxandra > How much is it worth?
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:52 ] Heofz > not a great deal tbh
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:55 ] Heofz > i'm just curious
[ 2010.01.29 05:10:55 ] Ruxandra > I could give you information to attack them with, as well.
[ 2010.01.29 05:11:04 ] Ruxandra > I will tell you their name for 10 million isk.
[ 2010.01.29 05:11:30 ] Ruxandra > I'll also include some interesting information.
[ 2010.01.29 05:11:38 ] Ruxandra > That may help you in returning the "favor"
[ 2010.01.29 05:11:49 ] Heofz > 5 million now, 5 million after
[ 2010.01.29 05:11:59 ] Ruxandra > It's 10 million, I'm being fair, man.
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:03 ] Ruxandra > I could've asked you for 100.
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:13 ] Heofz > but how can i trust u lol
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:23 ] Ruxandra > Well, if I lied to you, you go kill ten rats.
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:27 ] Heofz > how do i know ur not gonna just take the 10 mil and laugh
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:30 ] Ruxandra > Thats just stupid to rip you off for 10 million isk.
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:34 ] Heofz > true
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:51 ] Heofz > ok what the hell :)
[ 2010.01.29 05:12:52 ] Ruxandra > Considering I could gain future amounts for more isk, if you like what I tell you.
[ 2010.01.29 05:13:09 ] Heofz > 10 mil for a name and that extra info?
[ 2010.01.29 05:13:16 ] Ruxandra > Yes.
[ 2010.01.29 05:13:24 ] Ruxandra > I will give you their name and their information.
[ 2010.01.29 05:13:40 ] Heofz > lol ok
[ 2010.01.29 05:14:00 ] Heofz > check ur wallet :)
[ 2010.01.29 05:14:06 ] Ruxandra > Okay.
[ 2010.01.29 05:14:39 ] Ruxandra > First, you didn't get this from me.
[ 2010.01.29 05:14:44 ] Ruxandra > Or I won't give you more info.
[ 2010.01.29 05:14:45 ] Ruxandra > Okayt?
[ 2010.01.29 05:14:53 ] Heofz > of course
[ 2010.01.29 05:15:13 ] Ruxandra > I was hired by Riley. I don't know if it was Dave on her account. However, she was the person who initially contacted me.
[ 2010.01.29 05:15:25 ] Ruxandra > The job was easy because of my past relations with Lost Packet.
[ 2010.01.29 05:15:47 ] Ruxandra > After that, Dave became the contact, his intentions were to force your corps from the alliance, give him the edge with ATLAS, and reform.
[ 2010.01.29 05:16:15 ] Heofz > i suspected as much, lol
[ 2010.01.29 05:16:38 ] Ruxandra > He couldn't make such attempts without first corrupting the leadership infrastructure and getting people on his side.
[ 2010.01.29 05:17:25 ] Heofz > yeah
[ 2010.01.29 05:17:31 ] Ruxandra > He had talked very boldly about how Viod Hawk was a fool, etc. He would regularly bash him in private conversations with me.
[ 2010.01.29 05:17:40 ] Heofz > by establishing himself as the leader right?
[ 2010.01.29 05:17:54 ] Ruxandra > Well, he didn't have control of the Executor corp.
[ 2010.01.29 05:17:56 ] Ruxandra > Packet did.
[ 2010.01.29 05:18:07 ] Ruxandra > So, if he attempted to take control, Packet would just kick him - which packet did.
[ 2010.01.29 05:18:11 ] Ruxandra > However, packet did it too late.
[ 2010.01.29 05:18:19 ] Ruxandra > After people were already prepared to "jump ship."
[ 2010.01.29 05:18:24 ] Heofz > yeah
[ 2010.01.29 05:18:51 ] Heofz > i cant believe it lol
[ 2010.01.29 05:18:55 ] Heofz > i worked all this out myself
[ 2010.01.29 05:19:02 ] Heofz > well, not myself
[ 2010.01.29 05:19:08 ] Heofz > but i put the pieces together
[ 2010.01.29 05:19:17 ] Heofz > and you've confirmed all my suspicions
[ 2010.01.29 05:19:29 ] Ruxandra > The funny part is - once GoonSwarm reinforces NC and makes a push into Insmother - no one is going to take Davet517s check.
[ 2010.01.29 05:19:42 ] Ruxandra > He's going to lose the space anyway.
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:03 ] Heofz > lol
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:07 ] Heofz > he spent billions
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:09 ] Heofz > xD
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:15 ] Ruxandra > He purchases isk illegally, also.
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:18 ] Ruxandra > That is true.
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:28 ] Heofz > how did you know about that?
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:36 ] Ruxandra > Bobby Atlas was also given a "bonus check".
[ 2010.01.29 05:20:45 ] Ruxandra > To let him have the space.
[ 2010.01.29 05:21:20 ] Ruxandra > I knew he purchased isk for a while.
[ 2010.01.29 05:21:49 ] Ruxandra > It's obvious. He even boasted about it in Mostly Harmless.
[ 2010.01.29 05:21:55 ] Ruxandra > To people he trusted, anyway.
[ 2010.01.29 05:26:54 ] Heofz > lol damn
[ 2010.01.29 05:27:21 ] Heofz > so you knew packet for a long time?
[ 2010.01.29 05:29:25 ] Heofz > dave must've paid you a lot to sever ties with him D:
[ 2010.01.29 05:29:59 ] Ruxandra > I actually was never "friends" with packet. I had just conveniently been in his corp before. I met him through Marcus Malos.
[ 2010.01.29 05:30:22 ] Ruxandra > It was easy to get in, especially considering he had a huge need for a US TimeZone Director.
[ 2010.01.29 05:30:32 ] Ruxandra > I was the one close enough to being trust worthy.
[ 2010.01.29 05:41:17 ] Heofz > i have to say
[ 2010.01.29 05:41:28 ] Heofz > the whole operation was a beautiful piece of work
[ 2010.01.29 05:41:55 ] Ruxandra > It was alright. It would've come out better if Packet wouldn't have kicked him so soon, there was a larger plan at play.
[ 2010.01.29 05:42:01 ] Ruxandra > What occured was a contingency plan.
[ 2010.01.29 05:42:38 ] Heofz > larger plan? :o
[ 2010.01.29 05:42:47 ] Ruxandra > Yes, there was a larger plan.
[ 2010.01.29 05:42:51 ] Heofz > i cant imagine him getting a better result tho
[ 2010.01.29 05:42:55 ] Ruxandra > The "true" plan.
[ 2010.01.29 05:42:56 ] Heofz > he got the whole pocket
[ 2010.01.29 05:43:02 ] Heofz > all to himself
[ 2010.01.29 05:43:16 ] Ruxandra > Yes.
[ 2010.01.29 05:43:17 ] Heofz > unless he's referring to the destruction of everyone else too
[ 2010.01.29 05:43:38 ] Ruxandra > It was along those lines. It was more epic than what occured.
[ 2010.01.29 05:44:04 ] Ruxandra > It probably would've resulted in multiple people not only leaving BADWOLF and Nightmare Inc, but also, quitting the game.
[ 2010.01.29 05:44:33 ] Heofz > i think i know what you're talking about
[ 2010.01.29 05:44:48 ] Heofz > he wanted to put everything in a holding corp
[ 2010.01.29 05:45:32 ] Ruxandra > No, it was more diverse than that.
[ 2010.01.29 05:45:38 ] Ruxandra > If I told you, you'd be surprised.
[ 2010.01.29 05:46:03 ] Heofz > lol is that so
[ 2010.01.29 05:46:12 ] Ruxandra > Yeah, you'd be shocked, maybe.
[ 2010.01.29 05:46:22 ] Heofz > i dunno, eve is full of surprises :P
[ 2010.01.29 05:46:25 ] Ruxandra > Just to find out what was going on internally in your corp, not just the alliance.
[ 2010.01.29 05:46:45 ] Heofz > in badwolf eh
[ 2010.01.29 05:46:51 ] Ruxandra > In every corp.
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:16 ] Heofz > guess... isk farming?
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:19 ] Ruxandra > Aside of Dave's, which wasn't necessary.
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:20 ] Ruxandra > No.
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:25 ] Heofz > damn
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:27 ] Ruxandra > I can tell you, for another 10m.
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:42 ] Heofz > hmm okie dokie
[ 2010.01.29 05:47:56 ] Ruxandra > It would greatly improve your corps ability to survive at this point.
[ 2010.01.29 05:48:10 ] Heofz > paid :)
[ 2010.01.29 05:48:33 ] Ruxandra > I was told to make contact with a director in each corp.
[ 2010.01.29 05:48:50 ] Ruxandra > I was supposed to determine which seemed like they'd be easiest to follow-the-lead.
[ 2010.01.29 05:49:03 ] Ruxandra > I had to find someone not devoted to the corps they were in, but with proper roles.
[ 2010.01.29 05:49:14 ] Ruxandra > Money talks and BS walks.
[ 2010.01.29 05:49:20 ] Heofz > so i hear
[ 2010.01.29 05:49:30 ] Ruxandra > Within your corp, as well as, other corps - save for Malice inc. They came into the game too late.
[ 2010.01.29 05:49:42 ] Ruxandra > There was a mole, if you will.
[ 2010.01.29 05:49:54 ] Ruxandra > A person prepared to not only kick multiple people from nightmare, like I had.
[ 2010.01.29 05:50:04 ] Ruxandra > But simultaneously, everyone they possibly could from each corp.
[ 2010.01.29 05:50:14 ] Ruxandra > Then drain the wallets, the corp hangars, and get out of dodge.
[ 2010.01.29 05:50:18 ] Ruxandra > They were paid a fee by Dave.
[ 2010.01.29 05:50:25 ] Ruxandra > Not nearly as much as my fee.
[ 2010.01.29 05:51:06 ] Heofz > interseting
[ 2010.01.29 05:51:08 ] Ruxandra > On the night that Packet ejected Raata Invicti from the alliance, it was too early.
[ 2010.01.29 05:51:17 ] Ruxandra > I needed about two more days to have them all simultaneously on.
[ 2010.01.29 05:51:56 ] Ruxandra > But rather than have them all on simultaneously, because of what packet did - sooner than expected, I pretended to be on board with the TCU killing thing.
[ 2010.01.29 05:51:59 ] Ruxandra > I even was on the kill mail.
[ 2010.01.29 05:52:13 ] Ruxandra > This would distract any and all attention from me, while I did what I had to do - when Packet slept.
[ 2010.01.29 05:52:35 ] Heofz > yeah i noticed that
[ 2010.01.29 05:52:36 ] Ruxandra > Since I was the last possible person to undertake what was supposed to be done - and get my final check.
[ 2010.01.29 05:53:16 ] Ruxandra > The director in your corp that was supposed to be on board with us was immediately severed from our op.
[ 2010.01.29 05:53:43 ] Ruxandra > We offered to keep his name a secret in exchange for him to not disclose our plan, until we finished what we needed to do, tell ATLAS the story - send logs, etc.
[ 2010.01.29 05:54:10 ] Ruxandra > He's still in your corp right now.
[ 2010.01.29 05:54:28 ] Heofz > i see
[ 2010.01.29 05:54:42 ] Ruxandra > He's probably not a threat, though.
[ 2010.01.29 05:54:50 ] Ruxandra > Just a guy who was given an opportunity to make some isk.
[ 2010.01.29 05:57:32 ] Heofz > hmm
[ 2010.01.29 05:57:40 ] Heofz > so what do you recommend i should do?
[ 2010.01.29 05:58:30 ] Ruxandra > Should do about what?
[ 2010.01.29 05:58:50 ] Heofz > well
[ 2010.01.29 05:59:03 ] Heofz > how much of a liability is this director
[ 2010.01.29 05:59:34 ] Ruxandra > I don't know, that's really how you perceive it.
[ 2010.01.29 05:59:56 ] Ruxandra > Is it safe to keep him in the corp, assuming, you would've done the same, if a number that large was proposed to you?
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:00 ] Ruxandra > He was offered a lot of isk.
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:13 ] Ruxandra > Not just chump change.
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:17 ] Ruxandra > A considerable amount.
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:21 ] Heofz > is there any way you'll give his name?
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:27 ] Heofz > considering this is just between us
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:39 ] Ruxandra > You can disclose that he's in your corp, that's up to you.
[ 2010.01.29 06:00:47 ] Ruxandra > I don't care if you keep it secret.
[ 2010.01.29 06:01:11 ] Ruxandra > But as for the name, I'm really tied on that.
[ 2010.01.29 06:01:31 ] Heofz > could i just have something vague then
[ 2010.01.29 06:01:34 ] Heofz > like a timezone or something
[ 2010.01.29 06:01:44 ] Ruxandra > I mean, for a fee, I'd give his name out - but. . . I don't really see us coming to an agreement.
[ 2010.01.29 06:01:51 ] Ruxandra > Well, the lot of your corp is US Tz. lol.
[ 2010.01.29 06:01:56 ] Ruxandra > Oh, you mean distinctly.
[ 2010.01.29 06:02:41 ] Heofz > heh
[ 2010.01.29 06:02:55 ] Heofz > so he's US tz
[ 2010.01.29 06:03:10 ] Ruxandra > Yes.
[ 2010.01.29 06:04:40 ] Heofz > so i take it your transaction between dave and yourself is complete
[ 2010.01.29 06:04:57 ] Heofz > so you no longer have any ties with him
[ 2010.01.29 06:05:05 ] Heofz > ?
[ 2010.01.29 06:05:34 ] Heofz > unless i misunderstood when you said you received your final payment
[ 2010.01.29 06:05:58 ] Ruxandra > I can always be rehired. But it would be very difficult at this point, my voice is compromised.
[ 2010.01.29 06:06:16 ] Ruxandra > But yes, I have been paid in full?
[ 2010.01.29 06:06:20 ] Ruxandra > You could say.
[ 2010.01.29 06:06:55 ] Heofz > so going back to the first bit of info for a second
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:06 ] Ruxandra > Yeah.
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:18 ] Heofz > dave buys isk illegally
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:28 ] Ruxandra > Which you couldn't prove.
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:30 ] Ruxandra > But yes, he does.
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:32 ] Heofz > of course
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:43 ] Heofz > but is it such that isk will *never* be a problem for him
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:43 ] Ruxandra > He buys it from an exclusive company, he claimed.
[ 2010.01.29 06:07:52 ] Ruxandra > Which is private and not known publicly by too many people.
[ 2010.01.29 06:08:00 ] Heofz > as in, he has a seemingly unlimited supply of isk
[ 2010.01.29 06:08:04 ] Ruxandra > No, isk could be a problem for him.
[ 2010.01.29 06:08:13 ] Ruxandra > It would depend on how much he would pour into the game.
[ 2010.01.29 06:08:35 ] Ruxandra > He's probably worth around 60 - 70 billion at any given time.
[ 2010.01.29 06:08:40 ] Ruxandra > Assets redacted, just liquid.
[ 2010.01.29 06:08:58 ] Heofz > i see
[ 2010.01.29 06:13:56 ] Ruxandra > He's not nearly the richest player in the game nor even close - he's up there, though.
[ 2010.01.29 06:14:24 ] Heofz > i always knew something was up with him lol
[ 2010.01.29 06:14:50 ] Heofz > smells like a goon to me
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:02 ] Ruxandra > Not quite, he's actually an idiot.
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:12 ] Ruxandra > Mostly Harmless is as far as he goes.
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:16 ] Ruxandra > He has limited PVP experience.
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:19 ] Ruxandra > The guy is a carebear.
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:22 ] Heofz > yeah i noticed
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:38 ] Heofz > he got killed by a pos in a stealth bomber not too long ago
[ 2010.01.29 06:15:48 ] Heofz > one of ours :)
[ 2010.01.29 06:16:02 ] Heofz > with nobody else around
[ 2010.01.29 06:16:09 ] Ruxandra > That's funny.
[ 2010.01.29 06:17:09 ] Heofz > gotta love it
[ 2010.01.29 06:17:31 ] Heofz > i knew there was cloak & dagger stuff going on in eve
[ 2010.01.29 06:17:44 ] Heofz > but i never thought it went to such depths
[ 2010.01.29 06:17:47 ] Ruxandra > Oh, this stuff is new to you?
[ 2010.01.29 06:17:56 ] Heofz > i'm a 4 month old player :)
[ 2010.01.29 06:18:10 ] Heofz > but like many people tell you i learn things quickly
[ 2010.01.29 06:18:19 ] Ruxandra > http://eve.klaki.net/heist/
[ 2010.01.29 06:18:27 ] Ruxandra > That is much more impressive than this little op.
[ 2010.01.29 06:18:35 ] Ruxandra > That was a year long expedition.
[ 2010.01.29 06:18:44 ] Heofz > oh yeah i knew stuff like that happened
[ 2010.01.29 06:18:53 ] Heofz > but i never thought i would be involved in it
[ 2010.01.29 06:19:05 ] Heofz > let alone uncover part of an op
[ 2010.01.29 06:19:14 ] Heofz > almost singlehandedly
[ 2010.01.29 06:19:19 ] Heofz > sheerly out of curiousity
[ 2010.01.29 06:19:58 ] Ruxandra > Yeah, I've been doing things like this - for quite a while.